By LG

Yes sir, that is the story of Cleveland Sports. They bring them in and they ship them out of here. Brandon Weeden had a terrible rookie season. The Cleveland Browns front office still isn’t sold on the fact that Weeden is an NFL quarterback and as this fan wrote, you have to wonder if Weeden has what it takes to become a top NFL quarterback.

Another fan left a reply once that said, I lost all respect for Weeden when he played in the Pittsburgh game. He was under pressure and just fell to the ground without even making an effort to throw the ball out-of-bounds. That is the football I.Q. Weedeen brings to the field. Sure the gy has a big arm but he misses wide open receivers, his accuracy comes into question and his decision-making is very questionable as well. That comment was left by another fan.

It is going to be interesting to see how the quarterback situation plays out in Cleveland this summer. The Browns are under new ownership and they have a new front office in place, yet they are doing more of the same. They went out and signed a quarterback who thus far has just been a mediocre quarterback in his NFL career. The team could have went after a guy like Matt Flynn who was traded from Seattle and now will play in Oakland.

Cleveland should have tried to bring a guy like Flynn to the team. He comes from a history of winning both in Seattle and in Green Bay. What do the Browns do? They stick with a guy that has been described as a waste of a human being and a sissy q.b. To be fair to the team this viewer who left that comment should at least wait to see what happens in camp. There is a big change that Brandon Weeden will be the starting quarterback standing on the side-lines carrying the clip board while Campbell is the starter playing n the game.

 

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Readers Comments (194)

  1. RICK

    LG, At least we move on to the Campbell Weeden saga now. It should give you plenty to write about.

     
    • LG

      Rick, can you see Weeden beating out Campbell? I don’t think it will happen.

       
      • tigersbrowns2

        … i can “ABSOLUT”ly see weeden being the starter.

         
        • LG

          I’ll bet you can TB2

           
        • Bob

          Me to! When there is NO COMPETITION.

           
          • shane

            weeden sucks he has an arm but not consistency at all get rid of him i don’t care if they draft another qb. anything is better than him

             
        • lawnman

          Where at ???:-)(

           
      • Tom Wynne

        are you kidding me with the Matt Flynn BS? Flynn has started 2 games in his 5 YEAR NFL career and he is 1-1. He carried Jamarcus Russell’s jock around at LSU. Are you SERIOUS? Flynn??? Really????

         
        • LG

          LOl carried his jock LOL that is too funny Tom….

           
  2. johnnyV

    Colt McCoy – below average QB with an average arm. The right coaches are in place and no doubt in my mind we’ll see a much improved Brandon Weeden. If not, then turn him loose. Like Coach Sam said; you can’t draft another QB in 2013.

     
    • Bob

      “Like Coach Sam said; you can’t draft another QB in 2013″ – Watch them draft another QB in 2013 and release Lewis or get rid of Weeden.

       
      • LG

        If they did Bob, I would bust a gut laughing….

         
        • ABrown

          Bob and LG, I think that’s what the McCoy trade sets up. They get something for McCoy that they couldn’t get for Weeden and remove McCoy’s salary from the budget.

          It looks more and more like the Browns will draft a QB this year and use Campbell as interim starter and then backup.

          If Weeden didn’t have the guaranteed contract, they would just release him, but I’ve heard that doing that this year will cost the Browns 4 million dollars, but only 2 mill if they wait till next year.

          He doesn’t have the skills to be a back up and very few people in the league see him as a starter. Neither do several people in the Browns organization.

           
          • LG

            ABrown, when you say Bob and LG are you really replying to both of us or just me and my ultra ego. Can you imagine that some are thinking Bob and I are the same?

             
          • Applebee McFridays

            Did LG really say ‘ultra ego’ below?….

             
          • LG

            You are darn right I did….Hey I am trying to work and do this at the same time. Cut me some slack….

             
          • ABrown

            LG, I’m replying to your post and to Bob’s excellent post just before it. Where do these knuckleheads come from who post all these wild theories about anyone they disagree with???

             
          • LG

            They have to come from the Weeden farm, he has to be growing them, because there really can’t be this many in the world…LOL

             
  3. Dave

    Good luck to Colt, now moving on, last year our QB play was only a small percentage of our teams issues, the secondary, the O line run blocking scheme, line backer play and even special teams at time were an issue, so as usual the good people of my home town in their frustration, throw another QB under the bus this guy was a rookie, if he was 4 years younger everyone would say he’s a rookie give him a few years, but because this guy is older that thought process is out the window, now i’ll get off my soap box.I say if there is no improvment in QB play this year draft a QB next year, because we are gonna have a top 10 pick next year anyway,and our team will have matured another year gaining exp, I know for all my brother & sister Browns Fans this sounds like the same old BS but this is the land of there is always next year and it gives us Browns fans somthing to take our mind off the real problems in our live, LOL .

    GO BROWNS

     
    • tigersbrowns2

      … good post DAVE.

       
  4. Brian

    LG ,
    Now you can write about how McCoy should be starting over KC.

     
  5. Brian

    by the way LG you can quit saying a fan said those things everyone knows it’s you saying it.

     
    • LG

      Brian, go through some of the other stories here and look what the comments were. Then you will see it is not me.

       
    • Bob

      Marty, a fan said it in the last article that LG put up. It’s not hard to find.

       
      • Applebee McFridays

        Ok Bob and LG, but is a statement from a fan really worth making into a headline story?.
        Is this page really that desperate?. Do you have to use absolutely any excuse to slam Brandon Weeden?.
        It is pathetic journalism, and lets the site down so badly that LG cannot use his imagination, or any creative ability, to fashion a story that does not involve Weeden, and make it interesting enough for the rest of us to read, and comment on.
        A shocking piece of writing, by any standard.
        Now make a headline out of that Bob, sorry, I mean LG!.

         
        • LG

          Hey, I can write creative articles check out our Indians articles. They don;t suck like Weeden did and hopefully they won’t….

           
          • Applebee McFridays

            But LG, come on!. A fan said this, a fan said that. You are a better writer than that.
            How about just for once writing an article that doesn’t attach Weeden’s character, intellect, courage, or ability. How about writing one that perhaps gives Browns fans your personal insight into what it is that he actually does well.
            He must have some good attributes LG, even to you, and right now he is our starting Quarterback.
            I personally expect Weeden to be much better this year than he was last, and not just because he has a year of experience behind him. I think the coaching we have available to all our players is immeasurably better than it was last year, and he will definitely benefit from that.
            You were spot on about Shurmur LG, he was absolutely clueless, but Weeden does deserve a bit more respect than he gets on this page.
            So come on, write that positive Weeden piece. We all know you can do it!.

             
          • LG

            You don’t think what a fan says is important? Come on man the game is for the fans. Look through the comments here, they say a lot about how the fans feel. You know I could write a book about what the fans say. To me it matters what they think.

             
        • Bob

          Why don’t you write an article if you don’t like it. Okay? Applebee McFridays, I mean Denny Dice, RB or whoever you are. You may like the Plain Dealer for your Browns news for “pathetic journalism”

           
          • Applebee McFridays

            Alas, I am none of those fine people you mention above Bob, but all of them write better than LG does, and unlike you, are capable of forming their own opinions and not simply agreeing with absolutely everything LG writes.
            I am not the only one that believes you are an alter ego of LG, and it is not unique for a blogger to invent characters to post on their pages in order to attract other comments, and give the impression that a page is more credible than it actually is.
            It has been done many times before Bob, but I have rarely seen an example where so many poorly written, misinformed, and blatantly abusive articles have been so blindly endorsed, as you always seem to do here.
            I would gladly write a piece for this site Bob, but that would only leave me wide open to having people like you respond to it, and why would anyone, given the track record of this page, put themselves in that position?.
            The writing needs to improve, the articles need to be more balanced, posters more respected, and the headlines need to be more mature, before I would ever consider putting anything of mine on here.
            LG, you actually used the word ‘crap’ in another headline today. Really?.
            Is that as good as you truly are?.
            If you are looking for ‘pathetic journalism’ Bob, you have it right there.

             
          • LG

            I can assure you I am not Bob, nor do I need to make up an ego as you described.

             
          • LG

            You don’t live in Cleveland do you Applebee? You would know that a lot of people are tired of the crap we call sports teams. The Browns have sucked for years since coming back the Cavs have not even won 2 dozen games this season which is almost over and the hopes are riding on the Indians to make it past the All-Star break and not forget how to win a freaking game. Applebbe, that is crap and my whole life has been filled with crap sports for the most part. We had a couple of good years but the majority has been crap. When you travel out of town and tell people where you are from they start to laugh and bring up the crap sports teams we have here.

             
          • Bob

            Hey Apple – 1. I don’t agree with everything. I always believed McCoy was trade bait. Even pegged the 49ers has his new team. 2. Check out my style of writing to see I am not LG. 3. I am not a believer in Chud or the NEW Browns, where before this article, LG had more hope then me.

            Of course you would know that, but you only have posted recently. Lastly, you wrote, “I am not the only one that believes you are an alter ego of LG” Wow! You get together frequently with the other posters? Are you a mind reader? Here’s my advice, stay away from the c^$@ restaurants in your name. That stuff is bad for the body.

             
          • LG

            Hi to myself…..LOL can you imagine this Bob? Pretty freaking funny what these weeden believers will believe…..Next Haslam will have them only driving to pilot for their fuel……

             
          • Bob

            HA! HA! Angry Weeden fans cracking up and putting their frustrations out on us Maybe it’s because they can not do it to McCoy anymore.

             
          • Bob

            Applebee

            You wrote, “The writing needs to improve, the articles need to be more balanced, posters more respected, and the headlines need to be more mature, before I would ever consider putting anything of mine on here.”

            Get over yourself.

            You also asked LG to write good things about Weeden and you questioned his support. Really? Why don’t you take a look at the top of this page where LG has a picture of Weeden. If you know anything about this site, you would also know that LG has stated time & time again that he would support Weeden, if he could get his act together. He has also stated that he is a loyal Browns fan who wants to win with whoever is the QB. WIN – that’s it. That’s what we ALL want!!

            LG – Doesn’t Applebee write like Denny Dice at times? If not, I wonder if Denny sent him from his Facebook page?

             
          • LG

            The IP address doesn’t match Denny Dice. This IP matches Tampa Florida. I used to have a guy that wrote articles in the Tampa Area,….I’ll have to see what his IP was

             
          • RB

            Bob, when I write in here, I write under only RB. I’ve said that in a previous article, so I would appreciate it if you don’t accuse me of saying something I didn’t say by insinuating it’s me writing under another name.

            I can piss LG, you and ABrown off all by myself. I don’t need help from someone else.

             
          • LG

            That is some funny Stuff RB…..Thanks for the Laugh

             
          • Bob

            My response was directed to Applebee saying LG & I were the same person. I mentioned you and a couple of others that think like Applebee to prove a point that he was being ridiculous. So chill and enjoy Weeden while you can because he won’t be a Brown for long. Not because of his problems, but because the Browns like a new QB every year.

             
          • Bob

            My last comment was to RB by the way.

             
    • marty

      bRian, I’m Marty. LG doesn’t write for me, influence me, I just say it like it is. Weedon showed many reasons throughout the season why he shouldn’t be a QB. He hasn’t done anything yet that shows me an interest.LG picks the subject that fans reply to. All these fans say Colt didn’t have the arm to throw. Shurmur never called for a long play. The Browns had in 2011, players that wouldn’t be a starter on any other NFL team. A offensive line that was so injured and one player I won’t name-He’s gone now that was terrible. A medicore high school line would of offer more protection.Receivers that dropped more passes than cut. One receiver played ” Touch me I’ll fall ” Brian you have know clue about football, or the right to criticize LG.It’s these article that draws interest, and if the articles don’t LG would be out of a job. What kind of a team is the Browns. They our team, but there are many more teams better than the Browns.

       
      • Bob

        “… there are many more teams better than the Browns.” – Like the 49ers! Hee Hee!

        Good post Marty.

         
        • ABrown

          Good point, Bob!

          I’m trying to think what someone might write to praise something Weeden does well.

          It’s tough but I think the best thing is a move he developed on his own. A lot of QBs learn to slide after a run instead of fighting for extra yards.

          What Weeden has done is develop the slide in the pocket before the pass rushers get to him. Going down before he’s sacked is a good way to avoid getting hurt.

          It’s not really good for his team because they lose 8 to 10 yards, but it’s good for Weeden.

           
  6. RICK

    LG, I don’t see a lock for either one of them. Let the competition begin.

     
  7. i got e.d

    Move on Mccoy is gone, Weedon is the man like it or not. If don’t like the moves the Browns are making go get a new team. I’m tired of you always putting them down. Your boy toy is gone get over it.

     
    • jerry carnes

      your a fXX you must be sucking weedens dXXk too but someones got to do it since dumbass shurmer is gone

       
      • i got e.d

        BOO HOO Was Mccoy your boy toy too? awwwwwww poor thing

         
        • Bob

          Hey i got e.d

          So you slam first, someone slams you and then you slam a person giving you a taste of your own medicine. Typical of a McCoy hater!!!!

          FYI – Weeden is not the man, so enjoy him while you can. The Browns have a new QB every year. Don’t you read about all of the QBs in the draft coming in to Cleveland for private workouts? Weeden’s time is about up.

           
          • LG

            It just hit me maybe he got E.D. watching the freaking Browns play over the past several season’s, not much to get excited about was there?

             
          • i got e.d

            just like your articles huh lg?…….btw i didn’t call anyone fxx or a dxcx sucker. that was a bitter mccoy fan. mccoy had 3 regimes(mangini, shurmer, and now chud) and couldn’t start for any of them. huh whats wrong? drafted in 3rd round behind tebow and jimmy clausen, that should say it all.

             
  8. KC

    I am not sure we can claim Weeden as a sissy QB but what he does lack and what is so important to the team is LEADERSHIP. The coaches can and will work on his accuracy; and yes he has a strong arm but you have to be the leader of the team and that he will never be. That is in your genetics and you can’t try to make improvements in genetics. I believe the Browns will have a season similar to last year and hope to draft a real winning QB in the 2014 draft.

     
    • tigersbrowns2

      hi KC … good post … as a weeden supporter , i would also agree he needs to work on his leaderships skills , but never say never.

      if we address CB in the 1st or 3rd round of the draft & find a starter , i think the defense along with an improved weeden , could very well land the browns 8 wins.

      we will see …

       
    • RB

      Leaders aren’t always quarterbacks. Look at the Ravens. Flacco wasn’t their leader.

       
  9. joeH

    Really! are grown men gonna sit on a foorum and call each other sisssies? lmao! Eveyone needs to calm down. At least give this FO a chance to work.I mean really do you actually think colt was ever gonna start here? all i have heard from colt backers is if your not gonna use him trade him and they did what? he got traded now you complain about that too lol not sure what you guys want them to do.

     
    • LG

      LMAO

       
  10. Dave

    What a jerk to call Weedon a SISSY and waste of a Human being. And as for the person who would publish these comments,your a terrible writer….

     
    • Dave

      DIfferent Dave, not the one above! these articals are ment to stir debate, sometimes not the right debate, lol

       
    • Horton

      I wonder which team he’s the starting NFL QB for?
      It’s easy to sit behind a keyboard and call someone else a sissy. Only a true sissy would do such a thing.

       
      • JS

        I agree Horton. That’s a complaint that alot of people have about social media. A person can be anonymous while being vile towards another person. If I were LG I’d take the high road on that type of comment. We can piss, moan and complain about who the QB should be but I don’t think anyone in the organization really cares. I do believe Weeden needs to make significant improvement this year. Hopefully he will so that we don’t have to wait till next year to get a QB. Jason Campbell at best is nothing more than a bandaid. I’m not going to jump on board with a guy calling someone a sissy and not have to defend himself. That reminds me of a clip on World’s Dumbest. In England a punk kid is taunting a Black Belt Iraq war vet at the vets door. The vet is just standing there taking all the taunts. The punk didn’t realize who he was dealing with and got in the guys face. Well one punch to the bridge of the nose of the taunter made him realize who he was messing with. The vet calmly walked back in the house while the punk lay on the ground wondering what just happened. I wouldn’t call Weeden a sissy unless I don’t have to back it up. Ya never know who you’re messing with.

         
        • ABrown

          Well, if Weeden is the tough guy you imply that he is, it’s 8 or 9 months past time for him to show some toughness on the field where it will do the Browns some good. There is a certain toughness that’s part of the job of quarterback.

          Every time he goes off the field after only one sack, or falls down before the pass rush gets to him, he puts more questions in the minds of his team mates about his commitment to the rest of the team — many of whom are playing hurt and risking injury instead of quitting on a play to avoid it.

           
  11. tigersbrowns2

    hi LG … i read MARTY’S post from your last column … to expound on it he “hoped campbell would break his leg & weeden go 0-16″ … and he’s a browns fan ????

    BOB had this one pegged … we agreed mccoy was a goner … i predicted the saints & BOB predicted the 49er’s.

    mccoy was basically traded for a 6th round pick … he was worth more … this speaks volumes on how much the browns wanted rid of him.

    i DO wish him the best.

     
    • Bob

      Thanks TB2 for the mention. I actually mentioned 3 contending teams. 49ers, Saints & Patriots if Mallet was going to be traded. But yes, I thought the 49ers more. It made sense to me since the 49ers style of play fits with McCoy’s.

      I regards to Marty’s comment, I agree with it except the “waste of a human being” line. I did not like that and found it not necessary to make his point. I don’t think Weeden has the skill sets to be an NFL QB, but I respect the fact that he played in two professional sports. I am curious if the new coaches can turn him around, so I do hope for him. However, I don’t think he can. We’ll see. He is also a good golfer from what I also read about him.

       
    • Bob

      I also disagree with the “hoped campbell would break his leg” part.

      However, I do think Marty was trying to slam Lombardi’s preseason moves more by making his statement. Even taking the McCoy trade out of the equation, Marty is probably just disgusted what has gone on so far like a lot of Browns fans. I know I am. This team needs to prove something to the fans now!

       
      • Leon II

        Marty obviously doesn’t understand the position the front office was in. Nobody was going to trade for Weeden, period end of story. That meant the FO would have had to take a $6m cap hit (guaranteed salary for this and next year plus signing bonus allotment) to cut him. Even if the new regime wasn’t sold on the second year QB they INHERITED, they sure weren’t going to take a $6m dollar cap hit when they could just pay him the $1.8 they had to and left him on the roster. Let me put it in terms we can all understand. You inherit a car from your deceased mom. It will cost you $1800 to keep it for a year or $6000 grand to get someone to haul it away. If you keep it you might get something out of it next year but if you drop it now you are simply out six grand. What do you do?

         
        • LG

          Leon II, you should write an article about why the front office had to keep weeden and submit it for publishing….It is a great point of View my friend….

           
        • Bob

          Nice read.

           
        • ABrown

          Good info, LeonII, I thought it was 4 million instead of 6, but considering there are 3 more years on that guaranteed contract, 6 makes more sense.

           
  12. Leon II

    Smart business said the cost of letting Weeden go this year was too high (about a $6m cap hit) as nobody would make a trade for him. Therefore, this regime was saddled with the bad decision of the last regime for at least one more year. You might say we had the cap room to take the hit but why would you do it when you can dump him next year for a third of the cap hit. If we fans are realistic we know this was simply football economics. If he matures into the starting role great. If not we save $4m of cap by waiting to cut him next year. I’m not thrilled with losing McCoy and keeping Weeden but under the new CBA, well sometimes you have to bite the financial bullet.

    BTW: Just a pet peeve but being a sub par NFL QB does not make someone “a waste of a human being”. Can we limit our criticism of him to his level, or lack, of talent. I’ve never heard anyone say anything bad about him as a human being. Just because he can’t read a defense doesn’t mean he tortures small animals.

     
    • tigersbrowns2

      hi LEON … good logical post.

       
    • ABrown

      Leon II, I agree that fans should avoid personal attacks, but the majority of those have been from the McCoy haters who have worked non-stop to attack him personally, his family and make up ways to try to destroy his career.

      After a point, it’s not surprising that a few Colt fans might respond in kind.

      There is a nastiness that some Cleveland fans possess that goes beyond just words, too. When fans of other teams have to fear attacks and even assault when they come to the Cleveland stadium to watch their team, those few bad fans make the whole organization look like it has no class whatsoever.

      It’s time all Cleveland fans stop patting themselves on the back and start looking in the mirror. Even being a losing team for longer than anyone else in the NFL is no excuse for what all of us have watched the worst of the Cleveland fans do.

      It’s long past time for “class act” and Cleveland to fit together.

       
      • Rick

        ABrown, I have not seen any personel attacks on Colt or his family nor have I seen attacks to destroy his career.
        Just because his weaknesses were pointed out doesn’t make it an attack it’s just opinions such as you have. Colts gone and it’s time to move on. I hope he has the career that you thought he would have here.

         
        • Bob

          Are you kidding me? ABrown and her post are right when she wrote, “majority of those have been from the McCoy haters who have worked non-stop to attack him personally, his family and make up ways to try to destroy his career.”

          Interesting when a McCoy supporter writes something mean the anti-McCoy &/or Weeden supporters get all bent out of shape when the majority of them have been doing the same thing everyday. Eg. attacks on LG the writer and others like you and me. Then these same anti-McCoy &/or Weeden supporters question & test Brown’s fans loyalty. If they are so loyal to their team, then they must be Raven fans.

          Chill out “loyal” fans who don’t like their team criticized when they deserve to be.

           
        • ABrown

          Rick, there is very little else besides personal attacks on McCoy since most McCoy haters have a hard time talking truthfully and meaningfully about football — even now that McCoy has been traded, the attacks go on. And his family, are you going to tell me you’ve never read any comments about McCoy’s father or insulting comments about people who praise McCoy.

          And not trying to destroy his career, I can’t count the times I’ve read outright lies about McCoy’s performance from people who have been given the sources for the truth and just ignored them. McCoy haters have always preferred lies.

           
  13. tigersbrowns2

    i will just sit back & watch the stupid, lazy little sissy tear-it-up this year …

     
  14. RW

    Imagine that LG and his love affair for Colt McCoy. This article is trash…”waste of a human being.” I cant believer they let you continue to write this garbage. Weeden will beat out Campbell. McCoy was never anything more than a back up.

     
    • LG

      I didn’t write it only quoted it from what a fan said.

       
    • ABrown

      This article is very useful because it illustrates just how unbalanced the fans in Cleveland can be. The Weeden lovers attack McCoy as a person and a player on a daily basis and never hesitate to lie about him, make up supposed facts and use these lies to try to destroy his career.

      But listen to the Weeden lovers scream foul when in this example just 2 fans of McCoy give them back just a tiny bit of the crap they have been saying about McCoy.

      LG, is an excellent sports reporter and he knows how to get reactions for a stimulating discussion. The limitations in this case are that the Weeden lovers are not self aware enough to recognize how wrong they have been in their ragging on McCoy. So it’s hard to have the discussion we should be having.

      None of those Colt haters is man enough to recognize and say “we went too far with all those lies and personal attacks.” They just pile on more trying to put him down because one of the best coach on one of the best teams thinks McCoy can make a positive contribution to a far better team than the Browns.

      LG, you are doing a good job here, but it’s awfully hard to get some Cleveland fans to grow up. You do them more credit than they deserve with your belief that change is possible.

       
      • LG

        I hear you ABrown

         
      • RICK

        I don’t see personal attacks. Most of the comments that I have seen speaks highly of his grit. The only thing that I have noticed is the knock on his arm strength. I believe that may be the opinions of some people and an attack.

         
    • ABrown

      RW, thanks for adding your “trash” contribution.

       
  15. Jeremy

    And another fan calls that other fan an IDIOT! I’m glad Colt is gone, so he can get his fair shot at starting for an NFL team. (not) I’m sure LG and ABrown cried themselves to sleep last night, knowing that he was gone… Here’s to a string of articles complaining about Weeden, or if Campbell starts (not happening), articles complaining about Campbell.
    I think that Weeden wins the job, keeps the job, and improves greatly. We win 9 games this year, and select a QB in the 2nd round of the 2014 draft to bring along over a season or to to replace Weeden…
    Campbell is Seneca Wallace with more starts…

     
    • LG

      Jeremy, I think it is a good break for McCoy to go to the 49ers. There at least they will appreciate they have a football player…

       
      • Jeremy

        The only real opportunity that Colt has now, is to play for a team that is already good, and thriving. Though, he won’t play, just back-up. Congrats to him, and I hope his shoulder is gets better…

         
        • LG

          Jeremy as you are already aware of this is the NFL. People get hurt and others have to play. That is what happened to Colt in the first place, 2 guys went down and McCoy have to play

           
    • ABrown

      I haven’t heard from a single McCoy fan from anywhere in the country who isn’t celebrating the news that McCoy is going to San Francisco.

      And don’t think for a minute that the articles about the glaring shortcomings in Weeden’s performance will stop. Weeden remains a serious problem for the Browns and anyone who covers the Browns objectively will continue to write about them.

      The most likely end result is that the Browns will draft another QB and Weeden will become irrelevant sometime in preseason or early in the regular season.

       
      • LG

        The only way they can stop is if Weeden stops playing football. because we already know his shortcomings aren’t going to stop….

         
  16. Dave

    Cambell will be a much better back up than McCoy and Weeden will be much better than last year.The browns will be a much better team overall and will win at least 8 games.With a little luck they will shock the NFL and make a good run and make the playoffs. They will finish ahead of the Steelers and yes the RAVENS.

     
    • ABrown

      Here we go. It’s the season when anything is possible because we are a long way from real games.

      This year’s team will be 8 and 8 or better, and we will make the playoffs.

      “This year” has been 2013, 2012, 2011, 2010, 2009, 2008, 2007, 2006, 2005, 2004, 2003, 2002 when we actually made the playoffs with Couch and cut him the next year, 2001, 2000, and 1999 for recent Browns’ history.

      We’re always going to do well — same predictions every year — until we start playing real games.

       
  17. dlotus2410

    Wow man!? How did you ever land those interview with “one fan” and “another fan”? i thought they only spoke to Peter King and John Clayton. You must be an insider or something. You know, “random dude” just told me that he thinks that Jason Campbell is a doo-doo head! There you have it folks, the Browns brought in a QB who has “been described” as a doo-doo head. Stay tuned for more late breaking Browns news at 11!

     
    • ABrown

      Hey, diotus, that’s the way a lot of Browns fans talk. We’d get a lot more respect around the league if our fans realized how uninformed they sound and set about trying to improve their football observations.

       
  18. Grady Randall

    The Browns have managed to turn another first round pick into a sixth round pick.

     
    • Jeremy

      Who? Campbell? McCoy was a mid 3rd round pick..

       
      • ABrown

        Jeremy, considering we couldn’t even get a 6th round pick for Weeden, the point is still pretty clear.

         
        • dan dyer

          What information do you have that they even tried to trade him? Not saying that they would get anything for him, but I don’t know for sure if they tried to trade him.

           
  19. Steve

    Please just stop posting!

     
  20. Dave

    LG,
    Gonna start posting under MSGT F to avoid the confusion.

     
    • LG

      You are the Hilton Head Dave right? So from now on you’ll be MSGTF right?

       
      • MSGTF

        You are correct.

         
  21. smartest guy on earth

    Who writes about what a fan says. This is horrible writting.

     
    • LG

      I think it is important to reflect in what fans say. They buy the tickets…..

       
      • RB

        I think it is important to reflect in what fans say when they agree with the Cleveland Sports 360 blogger.

        There, fixed it for ya.

         
        • LG

          Not true RB, you yourself could write a story and submit it to me for publishing. I don’t only publish the site point of view.

           
        • ABrown

          RB, most of the other comment sites delete what they disagree with. LG is one of the few that posts from people who agree and disagree.

          Your comment is simply a lie that should be beneath you.

           
      • ABrown

        LG, it’s hard to take “the smartest guy on earth” seriously when he criticizes your writing but can’t even spell writing correctly.

        It is important to look at what fans say and there’s a lot to be learned from it.

         
        • LG

          I think it is very important to listen to what the fans say, after all who buys the product you are selling?

           
        • Bob

          Hysterical ABrown.

           
          • ABrown

            Thanks, Bob. You’re in fine form yourself.

             
  22. Billy D

    I think you all are deluding yourselves if you really think that Weeden will improve this year, or at least to the point that he can turn things around. He doesn’t have the heart, mobility or football sense to be a really good starting QB. If anything I would be more concerned that he will get hurt due to his lack of mobility and ability to adjust to changing conditions on the field. I think McCoy going to SF is the best that could happen to him. He will get a ring sooner that anyone on the Browns.

     
    • ABrown

      Excellent points, Billy D.

       
  23. Dondrell

    LG. why do you write about the browns if you don’t like what’s going on here. Go write about 49ers.

     
    • LG

      I do write about the 49ers and all other teams in the usasports360.com site.

       
  24. Leon II

    People keep forgetting that the FO and CS have to build on the hand they were dealt. It wasn’t this regime’s fault that they were saddled with a QB from last year’s draft that they couldn’t afford to cut and nobody wanted to trade for in Weeden. It also wasn’t their fault that they inherited another QB that didn’t fit the ideal of a QB for a vertical offense they will use in McCoy. McCoy would have been wasted in this offense as it doesn’t play to his strengths.

    What shocks me though is that the fans don’t seem to get these basic realities and understand that the FO did the best thing they could for both the team and McCoy. McCoy now gets to go to a team that can develop his talents in a system he is suited for – his best chance for another shot at starting QB if does well as a back-up for the 49ers. Giving him the opportunity to have that shot was the decent thing to do for the much maligned McCoy.

    But in addition to doing the decent thing for McCoy they also did what was best for the team. Instead of just cutting McCoy (which would have done him no favors either) they managed to parlay a player in the last year of his contract with us and wasn’t ideal for the new system into an extra draft pick. Some of you probably are thinking “oh yeah, so what, we got a garbage pick for him” but stop and think for a minute. Late round picks are golden this year for a team that needs either a kicker or full back. Guess what – we need both.

     
    • ABrown

      Great points, Leon II.

       
  25. joe

    two completle different browns coaching staffs have chose weeden over mccoy,, hes not a bad person just because the the cards are stacked against him jus like they were for mccoy,, in a west coast system fit for mccoy Weeden out did him flat out n broke a few franchise records in the process,, mccoy never looked good in a browns uniform,, i wish the best for him,, soooooo loooooonngg!!

     
    • LG

      Joe, how do you come up with 2 complete coaching staffs? You considered Shurmur a coach? The guy was and still is a freaking IDIOT and the new guys haven’t seen anything yet.

       
      • ABrown

        Shurmur was a hopeless mistake as a coach and he tried to blame McCoy for his coaching mistakes to save his job.

        Then he got Weeden and quickly found that he had to dumb the offense to only one main target and a check down receiver and let Weeden make only the half field reads that he made in college. Finally, Shurmur found that he had to scale down Weeden’s passing to passes under 10 yards to keep his completion percentage above 50%.

        Shurmur found out that Weeden was no prize and when Weeden was offered for trade, Shurmur didn’t say a word about trying to bring him to Philadelphia.

        And the new coaches haven’t shown a lot of faith in Weeden either.

        I wouldn’t try to make too much out of what the last two coaching staffs thought of Weeden.

         
  26. CalBM1

    Boy Weeden has a great arm but cant hit a moving target,cant read a defense,cant run out of the pocket.Yep just what we need.I am getting too old for this rebuilding crap.I was in Baltimore in 1964 , anyone remember what happened that year. I have been heartbroken by the Fumble, the drive redright 88 and the other heart breaks.The last few front offices just make me want to puke.Lombardi and Banner are the worst The last two GMs lied to McCoy the coaches tried to kill him and he stayed a team player.Weeden lacks the fire needed to servive in the NFL .Sorry for you weeden lovers but with Dawson gone the browns might win 6 games if Campbell plays.Just my 2 cents from a grunpy 69 year old man

     
    • mike mayer

      weeden hit a lot of moving targets at OSU and threw a lot of damm good passes, he had a great reciever and an offensive line..of course i realize pro ball is a different animal..give the guy a break..he didnt lead OSU to #3 in the nation by being a waste of a human being and a sissy..why doesnt the coach allow the players to play how they play best and not force them into a system in which they cannot do well.. a good coach uses the tools at hand

       
    • ABrown

      That’s the most valuable 2 cents I’ve seen all day!

       
      • ABrown

        Mike, Shurmur did everything he could to turn the Browns offense into what Weeden ran at Okie State, but the result turned out to be very predictable and not so good.

         
  27. Jim F

    Mc Coy deserved better than the past 2 pre seasons in Cleveland–He gave his all out there. Weeden was too slow to develop and wouldn’t take a hit.

     
  28. mike mayer

    over 3000 yards passing and you think he sucks? why dont you get some lineman and recievers..when did the browns last have a 3000 yard passer in his first season.definately not in the 1950`s the last time you were any good

     
    • LG

      Get some line men, are you kidding me? He was one of the best protected quarterbacks in the NFL last year

       
    • ABrown

      Mike, in 2012 the Browns had 2 players on the Pro Football Focus All Rookie team — Gordon at receiver and Schwartz at tackle — and both of them had the highest rating at their position of all the other rookies.

      Our offensive line ranked 5th overall and 3rd best in the NFL in pass blocking, compared to bumbling excuse for a line McCoy had to deal with in 2011 that ranked in the bottom half of the league.

      Weeden had a strong group of players around him, but didn’t accomplish much. Yards don’t amount to a hill of beans if they don’t produce any more TDs than McCoy scored with a much less talented team and a more difficult schedule than Weeden faced.

       
  29. dan dyer

    LG-I don’t even know where to start on this article. You call yourself a fan and then write an article about a “fan” who states that he wishes that Campbell would break his leg and Weeden is a waste of a human being and wants to see him go 0-16. REALLY??? Is this what you consider a fan? Is this how you really want us as Browns fans to represent ourselves? Marty, the so called fan who said this, is the real waste of a human being. That statement was disgusting and ignorant and you should be ashamed that you used that as the basis of an article.
    Also you wrote a comment in this post that the game is for the fans and that you could write a book on the fans comments and it matters to you what the fans think. Yet not one time have you written an article on anything positive that a fan has said about Weeden. You don’t care what the fans have to say, that is unless they are saying what you agree with. If you are truly a man of your word then you would show your true creativity, as you say you have, and write an article about Weeden that does not completely bash him. We both know that that will never happen so don’t say you write for the fans, just the ones that agree with you.
    Then in this article you completely contradict statements that you made in a previous article. In your past article about Campbell being the only Browns QB who knows what a winning record feels like you rave about his record in Oakland. You talk about him having what it takes to compete for the starting position. You comment on his being a 1st round draft pick and coach Gibbs thinking enough about him to draft him in the 1st round. You also talked about his experience, strong arm, and ability to scramble. Then in this article you slam the Browns front office for going out and signing a quarterback who thus far has just been a mediocre quarterback in his NFL career. So which is it? Or do you just make random comments to try and prove your unreliable opinions? And now you are slobbering over Matt Flynn, a guy who has 2 NFL starts. One of which was a week 17 start in a meaningless game for GB against a terrible Detroit defense. Matt Flynn who was benched in Seattle because he couldn’t beat out a rookie? The same Matt Flynn that was relegated to a Raiders team that is worse on QB’s than the Browns. I’m beginning to think that you have a love affair with back up QB’s.
    Finally I just want to say to all you “fans” who continually comment on here blasting the Browns QB, owner, head coach, front office, and player moves…I’ll bet my last dollar you’ll be the 1st ones buying tickets when the Browns go to the playoffs. You are the biggest hypocrites that I’ve ever heard from. You will bitch and moan until you’re blue in the face, but as soon as this team shows some success you will be writing about how you always believed in them and how much they deserve it. What a joke!

     
    • LG

      It is what I would consider a pissed off fan Dan and when it comes down to it can you blame him? For years people have supported the team and you can see the frustration setting in with year after year losing teams. Since 1999, the team has been in rebuilding. No other NFL team took this long to rebuild. Only in Cleveland…..Only In Cleveland Dan.

       
      • dan dyer

        No true fan would bash this team and it’s players as disgustlingly as Marty did. And you glorify him by writing an article commending him for being a 1st class asshole and ignorant waste of oxygen.
        And why do you mostly ask people who bash the Browns FO or their players to submit articles? With the exception of TB2 and possible Leon you only want to hear from “haters” of Weeden and the Browns FO. Why do you hate the Browns so much? We all have felt the pain and frustration of Clevelands losing ways but a true fan sticks by his team through good times and bad. Are you not going to cheer for this team when they are successful? If so then that just proves that you are nothing more than a bandwagon fan, love them when their good and ridicule them when their bad.
        What about your contradiction of Campbell? What is your explanation of that? Why did you talk him up in one article and bash him in this one?

         
        • LG

          Not true Dan, if you look where you read the Articles anyone is free to submit one.

           
        • Bob

          You wrote, “a true fan sticks by his team through good times and bad.”

          True fans can think from themselves and aren’t suckers. True fans can admit when their team sucks, but still stand by them. This country was built on allowing & respecting others’ opinions. If a Browns fan is sick and tired of a new QB or a losing season year after year, that is their right to voice their opinion and their frustration. Instead of slamming those who disagree with you when they admit their team sucks, write (even in a response to an article)about how you as a “true fan” think how the Browns can better themselves. True fans love the Browns team as a whole, but they can dislike the owners, front office, coaches & even players. Even Grossi has slammed front offices, players, coaches, etc… and I consider him one a really great fan. I for one am not a Weeden believer and in LG’s article that he posted today before this one, I gave a suggestion on how to get Weeden to excel. Passing judgement on who is and who is not a true fan is ignorance. Just like your ignorance of thinking I am LG.

           
          • Bob

            I meant Applebee’s ignorance of thinking I am LG.

             
          • Bob

            Now my fan loyalty is being questioned? Man, people are going off the deep end over a losing team with a QB who ranked next to last in QBR.

            My suggestion on how to get Weeden to excel is in LG’s article: http://clevelandsports360.com/wordpress/the-cleveland-browns-may-have-a-new-guy-signing-the-checks-but-it-looks-like-the-same-old-crap-taking-place/

            If “loyal” & “real fans” (eg. dan dyer, Applebee, Rick) of the Browns don’t respect those who disagree with the direction of the team, then maybe fans who are not allowed to voice their opinions when they disagree can close their wallets, their mouths & turn their backs for good. I for one would not want to be part of an ignorant fan base like that anymore.

            What happens when all you “loyal” & “real fans” see your Browns team shipped off to another city like Los Angeles, Portland, San Antonio or Oklahoma City AGAIN?. Will you still be a fan? I guess if you are all “real” “loyal” Browns fans, then you are Rams fans or are you all Ravens fans celebrating a Super Bowl win. Congrats “loyal” fan?

            NFL is a business and the Browns owe none of us anything. If there is no fan support for a losing team, say adios to your team. If the owner wants to move their team for any reason, he can do so and the fans do not have a say so, even if they paid for a stadium with their tax dollars. It happened in Cleveland twice already. See the Rams & Ravens history. Also see why Los Angeles lost two teams previously before. Houston & St. Louis Cardinals are other examples for you. I lived in LA for a long time & witnessed the demise of two NFL teams there and I can tell you, people, the NFL & owners have only so much patience for bad teams. There is a reason the Jags, Bills & Browns are mentioned from time to time as teams to relocate.

             
          • LG

            My fan loyalty has been questioned from day one. Some think if you say true things you are not a fan…..

             
          • dan dyer

            And what does any of this post have to do with anything I wrote? All I said was a true fan sticks by his team no matter what. Yes it is your right to have an opinion, but personally I don’t believe a true fan would bitch and moan about everything the organization does, then as soon as there is a glimmer of hope, jump back on the bandwagon. This FO hasn’t even had a chance to do a single thing on the field and they are already being blasted about nearly every decision they’ve made. Do I agree with aeverything that they have done? No. But I will have the faith to at least let it play out before I blast them. I don’t believe that anyone on here posting has more experience owning, coaching, evaluating, or playing the game, so I will trust that the coaches and FO know more than I do and accept their decisions and see how things pan out.

             
          • Bob

            dan dyer – Lombardi and Chud (a offensive coord) already had their chance with the Browns and they were FIRED!!! Under Chud’s watch as the OC the first time he was on the coaching staff, the Browns pulled of an NFL record. The record of the most quarters with no touchdown. Also, he was not popular in Carolina last year, there were problems and from what I read, he did not utilize Cam’s strengths. And Lombardi, well, we all know what happened last time.

            Face it Dan, no coach who held a head coaching position before at this time wants to be with the Browns. Players and coaches careers get ruined in Cleveland. The list is HUGE!!!

            You wrote, “I don’t believe a true fan would bitch and moan about everything the organization does, then as soon as there is a glimmer of hope, jump back on the bandwagon. ” That’s your opinion. I respect that. But people like LG & Marty and others have jumped back on that bandwagon with the broken wheels every losing season. They are allowed to be frustrated and have every right to insult the team they love. Being a loyal fan does not mean you have to pretend to like what’s going on. It means you care enough about what’s going with the team you love, so you take the time out of your busy day to voice your opinion with the hope the team can turn around.

             
          • dan dyer

            Well Bob, i was writing to LG but for some rason you made my comments a slam against you.

             
    • RICK

      dan, Good post I agree. They want it so bad they can’t see it develope.I believe we are on the right track but time will tell.

       
    • Applebee McFridays

      Dan Dyer, this is unquestionably the finest post I have ever read on this site.
      And by a ‘real’ fan too. What a novelty!.

       
      • dan dyer

        I appreciate comment Applebee. Just wish more “fans” would see the light. Everyone knows that it is a struggle being a Cleveland fan in all sports, but its going to be that much sweeter when we finally get a championship. And I believe that it is coming, it only takes one great year with some talented players and some good breaks and a little luck. We are well overdue.

         
        • LG

          When do you see this championship coming Dan?

           
          • dan dyer

            Honestly that can’t be predicted. However I do believe with the talent and coaches we have that it should be attainable within a 5 year window. With the young players that we have and depending on their developement and assuming that we will be able to resign the main core when their contracts are up, we should have one of the most talented rosters top to bottom within 3 years. With that and assuming we can add some quality FA’s and draft picks we should be in contention for the next 5-8 years with what we have at this moment.

             
          • LG

            Here we go with another 5 year window. Some of use could expire before 5 years pass.

             
          • dan dyer

            Do you want me to say next year? It is impossible to guess when they will win, hell it may be never! I’m just stating that I believe they have the talent and people in place to be successful. Also I feel that some of the other dominant AFC teams are nearing the end of there reigns. So if anything, the window is opening to take control of the AFC within the next 3-5 years and I think we are more than capable of seizing the opportunity.

             
          • LG

            The time is right now to take control of the AFC north.

             
        • RB

          Well said.

           
        • ABrown

          Dan, Rick, and Applebee, no team can be great if it tries to control the thinking of its fans as you three would do. Sounds like a football dictatorship.

          If fans can’t disagree, what’s the point in being a fan? And if teams aren’t strong enough to survive fan criticism, they aren’t strong enough to earn a place in the playoffs and rank anywhere but the bottom of the league.

          You see the Browns as too weak to survive a difference of opinion among fans. Sounds like you don’t have much confidence in the Browns, but are eager to be the Thought Police to protect the team you see as weak.

           
          • Bob

            Be careful ABrown the “Browns thought police” may send Chomps after you and take your souvenirs away. Or are you Marty? LG? or are you Billy D today? Or maybe you are COLT MCCOY!!!!! Booooooooooo LMAO

             
          • RICK

            ABrown, I have plenty of confidence in the team. I have my thoughts which I am entitled to and I don’t try to sway peoples thoughts. I don’t have a favorite QB. I am going to see this interesting plan develope. I am not going to bash the management when I haven’t seen the product yet. It seems when someone has an opinion or a thought that you don’t agree with that it is an attack on you. Dictatorship would be not being able to voice your opinion. I don’t see that here and that is because of LG. He lets the people heve their say and I appreciate that.

             
          • dan dyer

            they have survived their entire exsistence with bitching fans and look where it has gotten them. Excuse me for being an optimist. I try to look at the positives and build from that. If you are content with focusing all your energy on what is negative with this team then that is your right. I personally don’t believe that will lead to success. As fans I think we should appreciate the fact that we have a team again. Where did all the gripping get us in the late 90′s. How did that feel as a fan? Should we as fans expect excellence? Absolutely! Is that always attainable? Absolutely not. Every organization goes through good times and bad. Every organization! Like it or not our good times occurred in the 80′s. Just because there was not a Super bowl does not mean it wasn’t a successful era. Getting to a super bowl takes alot. I believe that we are in the beginning of our next successful run. Hopefully other fans feel the same way and will embrace this team, it’s coaches, and the organization as a whole. It seems like many fans just want to set the bar as low as possible so they won’t be disappointed. As a Cleveland fan since 1978 I have seen my share of disappointments, but I will never bash any of my Cleveland teams, no matter how disappointed I may be in them. To me that is what being a Browns fan is all about, our undeniable love for this team under all circumstances. Isn’t that what seperates us from the other fans? Aren’t we considered the most die hard fans? Support your team, they just might surprise some of you doubters out there!!

             
          • LG

            Are you saying a fan who has bought tickets over the years to live through disappointment after disappointment should not be allowed to voice his or her opinions?

             
          • ABrown

            Yes, LG, I think Dan is saying exactly that. And he says he praises the teams, but we have all seen Dan mangle the truth to criticize members of the teams.

            With Dan, it’s still “agree with me or shut up.”

             
          • dan dyer

            ABrown-what truth have i mangled? I state facts and get attacked, while others agree with everything LG says. I’m not the only one who feels like this and only time will tell on who is right. I have never said Weeden was great or this FO or coaching staff will definately succeed. What I have said was I am willing to give them a chance before I bash them. But you continue to agree that management and coaches sabotage McCoy’s career and that Shurmur was partly the reason he failed. I agree with Shurmur not being a good coach but he was also Weeden’s coach and if anything his system fit McCoy much better than Weeden, so he should have been more successful. In the end it doesn’t matter what I, you, or anyone else on hear thinks because we don’t make the decision…we just have to accept them and root for whoever we put on the field. As most Weeden supporters have stated we would have backed McCoy if he would have been the choice but he wasn’t. We would even back Campbell if he is the choice. But I have never heard a McCoy supporter talk about his bad play without an excuse or admit that they will support Weeden if he starts. You are more than welcome to voice any opinion that you have it just iritates me that I can admit flaws in Weeden but you can’t do the same with McCoy. He was given his shot and failed. Weeden will be given his this year under this FO and if he fails he will be gone as well.

             
    • tigersbrowns2

      excellent post DAN.

       
      • ABrown

        Dan, when I said you “mangle” the truth I was referring to your posts to this site over several weeks — whenever you set out to bash McCoy or praise Weeden.

        Each time I have corrected you with sources and links. And then the next few days responding to another article you are repeating the same errors.

        Now here’s one error that you made that is actually understandable but still so consistent with your theme of attacking McCoy that you probably made the mistake just because you were looking for something negative and jumped on anything that looked half way promising.

         
        • ABrown

          Your error was about McCoy’s turnovers. You were trying to make the implausible argument that McCoy had more turnovers in 2011 than Weeden did in 2012.

          McCoy fumbled only once in 2010 and recovered his own fumble. But in 2011, the offensive line protection was so bad, McCoy rarely had a clean pocket to work from.

          He fumbled 11 times, but only 2 of those fumbles were turnovers because 5 of them were recovered by McCoy (ranked 2nd in the NFL in fumble recoveries) and 4 more were recovered by other Browns.

          You happily proclaimed that McCoy lost 6 fumbles. I can see how you might think so because the stats for each player list “fumbles” and “fumbles recovered.” But one further search for turnovers in something like Pro Football Reference’ “Play Finder” and find only 2 fumbles lost by McCoy.

          In the ESPN “Give/Take” stats for 2011, anyone who cares to look would find that the 2011 Browns team and McCoy ranked very high in ball security — 4th in the league for least turnovers — tied with New Orleans (13-3), and behind New England (13-3), Green Bay (15-1), and San Francisco (13-3).

          Losing teams are almost never good at protecting the ball, and winning teams rarely have lots of turnovers. In 2012, with Weeden the Browns ranked 22nd in fewest turnovers.

          Once again, McCoy raised the level of play on a very weak team — only to be called a “loser” by malicious fans like you, Dan.

           
          • dan dyer

            Point well taken, I will admit that i was wrong. I looked it up and saw what you are talking about. However you stated that “losing teams are almost never good at protecting the ball, and winning teams rarely have lots of turnovers”, Weeden still lead his team to 1 more win with the 22nd ranking in turnovers compared to McCoys 4th ranked team.
            I will be the 1st to admit that Weeden has to make better decisions and cut down on the INT’s. I will also admit that no matter his age he was still an NFL rookie playing in a system that he should have never been expected to play in. It is the belief of many that this years system will suit him better. That along with a full year of experience should benefit him greatly in my opinion, if not, we will be welcoming in our next new QB.

             
          • LG

            Weeden turns 30 a month after the 2013 season starts. Someone has to tie Banner down because he loves to get rid of 30-year-olds.

             
    • ABrown

      Dan, the article LG wrote about Campbell about a week ago was his opinion. This article is about fans’ opinions.

       
      • dan dyer

        It was LG’s own words that said Campbell was at best a mediocre QB thus far in his career. That was his statement, not one of a fan. This article was written exactly 1 day after he wrote and article praising Campbell.

         
        • LG

          He still probably beats out Weeden to start

           
          • dan dyer

            Only time will tell. If he does then I hope he has a great year.

             
  30. Marty

    Dan, You give an opinion that a true fan supports a team whether good or bad. For the last 53 years I am waiting for a championship.How much time you think may be too much. I support the team. But You have to ask yourself why doesn’t big name player doesn’t want to come here.When management makes bad decisions, you still want to support the management.When management blackballs a player from playing you still want to support the management.Your the prime example when the gas companies raise the price of gas, you must stand up and cheer ” All Right “You want to support a team whether there is good decisions or not. What team has more revolving doors than the Cleveland Browns. It’s natural to support a winner or someone that gives their all.It’s is not natural to support a loser or support a bad decision.What is unreasonable for me to ask to see a championship in my lifetime. Why do you think they hire the same people the Browns fired.Could it be ridiculous to think Good players and managers don’t want to be associated with a bad team. Dan, I mentioned it before to you, and I do respect your comments.You had mentioned the 2011 offensive line was the same in 2012. Really. They were rated the worst in 2011 at a average time of 2.0 sec. In 2013 they were rated as one of the best. Ask ABROWN. Your opinion of having time doesn’t make a difference. Then answer me one question. I don’t have a answer. How can a NFL QB throw a 50 yard pass with 2.0 sec of offensive protection. Or maybe easier question How far can a good receiver can run in 2.0 sec. I went to many Browns games. Watch countless games of the Browns. I’m not satisfied with what I see.

     
    • LG

      Me too Marty all my life I am 53 now. I go back to the Bill Nelson days of the Browns

       
    • Marty

      My mistake. 2011 offensive line and 2012 offensive line. I got ahead of myself.

       
    • Bob

      Good post Marty! I like the part, “Good players and managers don’t want to be associated with a bad team. ”

      I agree with this statement because I think this is the main problem. Why didn’t the Browns get Welker, Manning, Jennings or other free agents come to the Browns. How about Chip Kelly? I believe Blackmon even turned his back on the Browns before his draft. These players see how the Browns FO & coaches treat their players. One thing to keep in mind is why would any real QB want to come to the Browns after their treatment of QBs?

      Now we have the 49ers singing McCoy’s praises? Why didn’t the 49ers take Campbell a free agent when they would not have to give anything in return? The 49ers saw that McCoy not only fit in their system, but also saw him as a winner and a guy who studied & respected the game. And for those of you who call McCoy “just a backup”, the 49ers see him and their other QBs as more. They have a system of mobile QBs and they know any of them can go down on any given Sunday. Shanahan of the Redskins was so smart to get Cousins after getting RG3. And Carrol in Seattle picked the best QB after a competition because that’s what a winning team does.

       
      • Bob

        Excuse my typos, I did not proof before I clicked send.

         
      • ABrown

        You anxious to join the Thought Police, TB2?

         
      • ABrown

        Excellent post, Bob, with or without the typos.

         
        • Bob

          Thanks Abrown. I have had typos all day. Maybe I am LG. Sorry, LG. Just having fun!

           
          • LG

            LOL typos is my middle name

             
    • dan dyer

      You question the offensive lines in 2011 and 2012. I believe I stated that it was the same with the exception on Schwartz and the loss of Pinkston. I asked Abrown what his O-line rating invovled. Was it sacks allowed? QB pressures? Rushing yards? Etc…but got no reply. McCoy was a scrambling QB and with that you will have a higher number of sacks and pressures due to him trying to extended plays. With Weeden he is expected to throw the ball before the pressure gets there. I’m sure statisically the line rated worse in 2011, but there are many factors to consider with those numbers. I do not doubt you, but would like some sort of reference to those stats and I will be able to provide a more accurate answer for you.
      Also I hope I never see you on here supporting the Browns this year when/if the are successful with Weeden as QB. Your remarks about him and hoping for an 0-16 record were undoubtably the most disrespectful and ignorant comments I’ve ever seen from a fan. You are an immature, childish, asshole! you should really think like an adult before you post something.
      Please don’t reply to another one of my posts as this will be the first and last time I will ever reply to you. Good day.

       
      • ABrown

        Dan, mobile quarterbacks limit the number of sacks because they can escape the pressure and still make a play when a QB like Weeden would go down immediately. So McCoy had fewer sacks than he would if he couldn’t avoid the rush.

        I gave the reference for the O-line ranking along with the ranking.

        Another thing you can see at Pro Football Focus is the time in the pocket. In 2011, McCoy was faster than average at throwing a pass, 16th in the league. In 2012, Weeden averaged more than the NFL average time to decide to throw to a receiver and on the majority of his plays he had much longer than the league average to stand in the pocket making up his mind.

        In 2011, Pinkston ranked at the bottom of the league as a rookie guard. Lavau ranked a little higher but still pretty low, and then there was Tony Pashos.

        In 2012, Pinkston played much better and Greco played even better still. The ratings on pass blocking are based on how many or how few QB sacks, hits, and hurries are allowed. Anyone who understands football will have noticed the dramatic difference in the level of protection that Weeden enjoyed and often squandered by holding on to the ball too long.

         
      • Bob

        Wow. The last two paragraphs??? I love the part, “Please don’t reply to another one of my posts as this will be the first and last time I will ever reply to you.” Reminds me of Grossi banishing people in Twitter. Too funny!

        I guess Dan is the Captain of the “Browns Thought Police”. He is starting to lockup and banish Browns fans for their opinions. Dan – the NFL is a business. Haslam is a businessman. We might as all face it, this team can be shipped off to another city AGAIN. Yes, I said it. Time to watch the movie Major League. Please tell us or rather enlighten us to why the Browns can’t get top Free Agents? You know the ones the starters? What happened to getting Kelly or a whole list of other successful coaches to the Browns? Even Jimmy went back to Flying J after failing to get Kelly.

         
        • Bob

          When I wrote, “You know the ones the starters? Meant to write “stars”, not starters. Stars, like Welker.

           
        • LG

          I know you’ll find this hard to believe Bob, but that Grossi banished me on twitter and then when I call him on the phone he won’t pick up and I am talking about his home number too..

           
        • dan dyer

          we don’t know who our FO targeted as possible signings. They brought guys in and nobody knows the exact details of what happened. The FA’s you mentioned I believe are all past their primes..why do you think they were not resigned by their original teams.
          As for Kelly, nobody knows how he will do in the NFL. The track record for college coaches in the NFL is not good. Name one coach who came straight from college with no NFL playing or coaching experience that was successful. With the exception of Dallas’s coaches in the 90′s I can not think of any, although I may be wrong.

           
          • ABrown

            Paul Brown, Dan, he won a National Championship as coach at Ohio State before he came to the All American Football Conference(which became part of the NFL in 1952, I believe) and became the founding coach of the Cleveland Browns.

             
          • dan dyer

            Nice 1952 reference ABrown…i was thinking more on the lines of in our lifetime.

             
        • ABrown

          Excellent post, Bob, and it’s interesting that Dan’s thought policing totally overlooks his own bashing of McCoy.

          The problem of losing the chance at great players is very real. Eli Manning refused to go to San Diego and John Elway refused to go to Denver. It’s suspicious that we and the Redskins offered essentially the same thing for RGIII.

          PLayers and coaches pay attention to how people are treated by certain teams and how much chance they have of winning if they go there. That’s a real problem for the Browns.

          Most of us agree that Shurmur was a bad hire in 2011, but he may very well have been the ONLY coach who would come here. Then with Chur. He needed to get out of Carolina and he wasn’t at the top of anyone’s list, but we hired him. Then, I think his influence with Turner and then Turner’s with Horton may have saved our bacon in 2013.

          But we have little chance of competing with stronger teams for the best coaches and players.

          Say we get a No. 1 pick. Every player is going to look at what happened to Tim Couch in Cleveland and wonder whether it’s worth it to sign up for the same thing.

          And don’t underestimate the respect for Colt McCoy around the league. On a sports program hosted by former Lion players, their response to hearing about Colt’s trade was to quote MLK “Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty! Colt’s free at last!”

           
          • dan dyer

            I’ve bashed McCoy because he has been in the league longer and has not won or improved. I’ve also said that I think he is a good person and teammate a would be a good back up in the right situation. I have also said that if Weeden did not produce in this, his second year, then he should be gone. McCoy was benched or traded by 2 different staffs and now he is said to be competing for the back-up position. That does not sound like a quality starter to me.
            You are also forgetting that my original argument was the disrespectful quote that was posted by Marty and made into headlines by LG. If you agree with what he said then please let me know, however you do sound like a true fan and I doubt that you would ever hope for the Browns to go 0-16, wish harm on any of our players, or consider someone a waste of a human being because of their play. Correct me if I am wrong.
            Just a few corrections on your post since that seems to be our thing.
            1. Elway refused to play for Baltimore, not Denver.
            2. It seems like you are saying that RGIII refused to play for us. Wasn’t it St. Louis who opted to trade with washington over us?
            Finally, and i may be alone on this but Tim Couch never had a chance to succeed. He was cast on an awful team with worse coaching than Shurmur. I do not really understand what point you are trying to make with the Couch reference. There have been numerous #1 draft picks that have been a bust, although I personally don’t consider Couch a total bust. He did more with nothing than a lot of QB’s would have.

             
  31. Marty

    Weedon played poorly last year. If he would of showed some improvements but he regressed. The team played with improvement, he held them back.Most of his passes were way off target. There is never any excuse for throwing end zone passes that high. He is incapable of leading. I am a fan for many years. I don’t support any thing that doesn’t make sense.I don’t tolerate stupidity. My beliefs made me very successful in management.To draft Weedon was a mistake, WHY should a mistake be supported.If fans want to support a team that makes bad decisions, it;s common sense those fans will never see a championship.LG should write an article why do blue chip players shun Cleveland Browns.Do you think when a team hires their third or fourth choice as management, and say this was the choice we really was after is the truth. When Art Modell fired Paul Brown thats when the curse of Cleveland started. I said it many times, it applies to all management, in sports any anyplace else. MANAGEMENT WILL NEVER ADMIT AN MISTAKE. Weedon is a mistake.

     
    • Bob

      I am sure you are upset that dan dyer will not be responding to you anymore.

       
      • LG

        Could be a Blessing for Marty….Marty strikes me as being a great person, he appreciates the truth and stands up for it too Bob….

         
      • ABrown

        Marty, you are right about Weeden — more than frustrating because he got worse and didn’t seem to play hard. Then when we heard his own admissions that he didn’t learn the play book of like to study film. I can’t agree with the terrible excuse for a human, but he is a terrible excuse for a Browns’ QB and he let down his team.

         
        • LG

          and he let down the fans too ABrown we wanted to see some wins, we were tod we were going to win more than we did the year before by a guy that was suppose to know football. No wonder they showed Holmgren the door first.

           
          • ABrown

            Absolutely.

             
          • dan dyer

            he did win more games

             
  32. dan dyer

    LG-it must be nice to have all your supporters on here to fight your battles for you. Whenever a question is asked to you you come back with a one line response that never answers the question asked. Thank goodness you have ABrown and Bob to be man enough to answer for you. It will be sweet hearing you all back track your comments when these Browns(players, coaches, FO) succeed.

     
    • LG

      Dan, I answer questions. I am a very very busy person. If you have a question you would like me to address then post it. I don’t read every reply in it’s entirety sometimes. So if you have a question and you placed it in the middle of a post there is a chance I would miss it..

       
      • dan dyer

        Understood

         
    • Bob

      Hey dan dyer – You sound jealous.

      You already told some of us that we aren’t “real” fans if we don’t think like you. You have insulted many. And you have put down Browns players yourself in the past.

      Many posters who think like you on here have supported you and wrote nice things about what you wrote. But when others support someone you disagree with, you question the writer’s manhood? Should we question your manhood now? Geez!!!

      Thanks for the biggest laugh of the night.

       
      • dan dyer

        Never said YOU weren’t a real fan Bob. You put those words in my mouth. My original post was about Marty being so disrespectful and ignorant that a true fan would never say what he did. You took it upon yourself to take it as an insult against you. And I do believe that a true fan would not continuously bash players, management, and coaches before they have even seen the final product perform.
        As for putting down players, yes I have commented on Richardson because I believe in keeping your grips in house, and he too under performed to expectations. But I did back him in that I thought that his entire quote was not reported and that his words were twisted to make it sound as he was slamming Weeden, which I don’t believe he was. As for McCoy…let’s face it, the argument between him and Weeden got out of hand on both sides, but I never said anything remotely as disgusting about him as what was said about Weeden by Marty.
        The only person I may have questioned about their “manhood” was Marty. And I will be the 1st to admit when I’m wrong or give credit when someone proves me wrong, ask ABrown or LG, but I will not apologize for anything I said about him after his comments.

         
  33. Marty

    Lg doesn’t need anybody to argue for him. His articles length tells the success. To disagree with a decision when its made for the wrong reason is what bothers me. I never said I was a football guru, but success has to be earned. The decisions made by the front office have a bad track record. Until that changes, the complaints are warranted. Years ago, most will not remember. The Browns never drafted for need.They drafted the best that was available.Whether they needed help at position or not. It was obvious to me and many others we needed depth at cornerback. Why the browns didn’t fill that need. How many times has the Browns been burned by old and incapable cornerbacks. When you see plays like that, especially on National TV its embarrissing. I agree on some of the free agency and some I see why go after someone elses problem. I’m 61 yrs old. The first 8 years I cared less. I, like many others want to see a championship in my lifetime. Am I that unreasonable.

     

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